imperative for mandatory spaying/netuering lacking a breeding license?
I want it to be a law that dog owners must spay and neuter their dogs unless they have a breeding license. If anyone agrees beside me, please give me info about how to help this explanation, like what groups are working on this already (is ASPCA?)
Thank you.
More law don't lead to a better world. This type of law would only punish reputable breeders and push BYBs and puppy mills underground. People near unfixed dogs would be reluctant to take them to the vet or in public, which hurts the dog a lot more than have a litter of puppies.
Do you know how many dogs there are in this country? Enforcing this rule would be a huge headache. Name one big program close to this that the government runs really well-- I'll bet you can't think of any.
The best thing to do is to instruct people about the benefits of fixing dogs and finding a good breeder.
Responsible breeders respond to this helpful of proposal like the NRA responds to gun bans.. the problems tends to be - the AR folks seize greedy and make a license prohibitively expensive, they tend to require spay a pup BEFORE it has any possibility of earn an exemption either as a working or show dog (so when she titles what do you do unspay her?), enforcement is likely to be spotty and only nab those out surrounded by public at a dog show (usually responsible breeders) and miss the intact dog l tied to a rusting car...
and oh yeah so far EVERY spay netuer law exempts the puppy mills!
furthermore when tried on a citywide level it INCREASED the pound intake ..
I have that law within my area!! It rocks :P If your dog is not spayed/neutered by age 1 you will get a thousand dollar fine and community service!
YES it is VERY true where I live. The mayor passed it just about 6 months ago. I know whats true and whats not.
Sorry, but I cannot agree.
The interview that I would put to those in favour of mandatory spay/neuter laws is, "Where does the subsequent generation of dogs come from?".
There is a demand for dogs, whether as pets, working animals or whatever. If somebody desires a dog, and is willing to pay for it, somebody will provide that pup.
What mandatory spay/neuter will do is increase the distance between puppy purchaser and puppy breeder. This makes it harder for:
a) The responsible breeder to check the suitability of the domestic that the dog is going into. This means that people are more likely to (albeit probably inadvertently) run home with a puppy that will not be suitable for their domestic.
b) The well-intentioned purchaser to check the standards in which the pup is being raised. In other words, it make it easier for the puppy miller to hide their poor breeding practices.
The only people that will benefit from this will be puppy millers. No dog will benefit.
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So what's the answer? You say aloud that you don't think education is enough. Perhaps, but *enforced* rearing might work.
In the UK, there is a movement to raise standards of dog ownership. For a worthwhile dog law that in reality targets the problems of poor ownership. It's still very much in its rash stages, the proposal is still being crafted, but it probably represents our best hope of an alternative to other laws that can only take home the situation worse.
The Dog Ownership Test.
http://www.dogownershiptest.co.uk/
Perhaps something similar could be implemented where you are?
I don't think this would work. Responsible breeders would suffer. Responsible dog breeders ALREADY pay to show their dogs, form test the sire and dam, pay for thousands of pounds of good quality food.. why should they have to pay to be liscenced too?
Puppy millers are already "licensed" by the USDA. We all know how THAT is working out..
I am so torn on this issue. This will not help with puppy mills and BYBs, it is basically too hard to draw the line between responsible breeders and the mills/ BYBs. I think that it would not lug much money to make people decide that they don't want to enjoy "just one litter", but this may just make it harder on the apposite breeders. Who gets to decide who should breed? How do you expect it to really get enforced?
PETA is predictable working on this, but their goal really is no more pets eventually.
I can tell you that Sacramento Ca if not all of California have that as a law.
If responsible breeders would suffer because of a imperative that would stop the BYBing and puppy millers ... I would say so be it. The killings of healthy, cheery dogs because there are to many would be worth it.
This has get to stop. If it's at the expense of responsible breeders ... I don't give a crap.
I think spaying and neutering should be mandatory period.
Breeders are completely unnecessary. Breeders are making money simply by making more animals within an overpopulated world.
Here are some good links that discuss this issue...
http://www.shelterreform.org/SpayFact.ht...
http://www.idausa.org/facts/spayneuter.h...
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/07/...
http://www.isaronline.org/index.html
Puppy Mills normally are terribly sketchy on their papers, and ALL breeders who have 3 or more litters a year MUST be registered with a breeders license, and most AKC breeders are licesed.
I think that it still wouldn't back because that doesn't garentee the breeder will be responsible. stop puppy mills & ASPCA work against puppy mills a lot.
Seriously what's it to you? I don't close to backyard breeders either but the laws that you are talking in the order of are going too far! Their are so many other things to worry about than nation who breed dogs and cats!
Answers: The only people next to breeding licenses are puppy millers.
So you want to eliminate the responsible breeders and only tolerate puppy millers breed?
Sorry no support here.
I'm all for spay/neuter and pet owners should have there pets spayed/neutered. But these sort of law are only going to punish the responsible people, not the ones causing issues.
How is that unprejudiced?
Its the same with BSL. BSL doesn't punish the idiots who create dogs with issues, it punishes the responsible owners.
Good for you!
I'm not sure how you would do this.
You might want to email people contained by your community and sign a petition.
I agree, but would never ally myself with organizations approaching the Humane Society who are also against licensed breeders. Do your homework carefully- some animal welfare organizations think ALL dogs and cats should be spayed and neutered.
While I appreciate your reason for wanting to see this happen, the over all affect on reputable breeders could be devastating. Most of them, which are law abiding associates, would have to stop because it would be too expensive. These breeders that do rescue and take back puppies they create within the event someone can't keep one will no longer be around. The BYB types, they are more likely to just not register their dogs at adjectives, then not go to the vet for regular check ups and vaccinations so they won't receive caught with an unaltered pet and then they will still be pumping out puppies.
The sad truth is that at hand is no way to regulate breeding practices fairly and effectively without hurting the worthy breeders. I for one, do not want to lose the option of acquiring a well bred working Border Collie when I am arranged for it.
The best thing we can do is to educate people nearly puppy mills and backyard breeders. Education is the key to changing things. Some won't care to listen, but their are abundant people in this world who are just untrained. If we can commit to educating at every opportunity, then we will be the change we want to see and that is the extremely first step.
ADDED: Peta is an organization that cloaks their true intentions in animal welfare. If Peta got what they really considered necessary, not one single pet would exist in this world. All pets would be abolished entirely. I am amazed at the number of people who support Peta and don't realize their true agenda. I will never support Peta.
DITTO..Bindi and Kips Mom.
Oh, and for one of the posters that states that this is a law in CA..that is not true!
We do stipulation to stop puppy mills and work to educate those that purchase from Pet Store to not do it.
Professional Breeders that to better breeds in all areas..eyes, hips, heart, inheritance, etc...
We DO need to continue to educate those that want to BYB only just for the sake of their childrens experience, making money, and thinking it's fun and cute. That is NO REASON to be breeding!! And, I told a neighbor that very same thing 2 days ago.she got somewhat angry with me, but I didn't care. It is my job, as a responsible dog owner, lover, extremity of ASPCA, and the Humane Society to continue to spread educating people that have no ease of what they do or plan to do. I for one, will never stop as my love for dogs comes first.
*NOTE NOTE NOTE: Shelter Puppies Rule ~ maybe you can lead those people that ask question like you said to us here on YA's Dogs? We can try our best to help out and educate them!! Can you? Will you? It might assist if all of us work on educating those people that you find are not comfortable with the harm it can cause to byb dogs. :oD
Sorry, I disagree. That just means that nation who breed without a license are breaking the law, and then will be even more unwilling to get hold of the proper health care for mother and pups, let alone capture a qualified vet to dock tails, crop ears and remove dewclaws, if necessary.
We do not inevitability more regulations or legislation - we need education.
If people be educated on how to buy a healthy, well-bred puppy, then the BYBers and puppy millers would be put out of trade.
Add: Rogue, if all dogs were spayed/neutered, where on earth would the next generation of puppies come from? Or do we just drive adjectives dogs extinct?
I hold to disagree. First off the only licensed breeders are puppy mills. Even if you created a license program for other breeders this type of law won't do any good and will just create things harder on responsible breeders. Responsible pet owners who would follow the law either already have here pets altered or know how to properly contain unaltered pets to prevent unwanted breedings. The dogs belonging to responsible owners aren't the ones causing the problem. Irresponsilbe owners who are causing the problem would simply ignore the ruling. There are millions of dogs in this country alone and no possible way to effectively enforce the law. That they are breaking the regulation by having their pets unaltered would only make it smaller quantity likely their pet would bet proper medical care.
This type of law is also a slippery slope. It is a incredibly small step from mandatory spay and neuter for owners of pet quality dogs to mandatory spay and neuter for adjectives dogs period which exactly what PETA, the Humane Society and other AR groups want because it would effectively do away with allowed pet ownership in a (dog) generation.
As far as passing law that only allow responsible breeders to breed again it is a slippery slope. Its only a small step to laws outlawing breeding time, or making requirements so stringent no one can meet them, or simply refusing to issue permit again effectively doing away with legal pet ownership contained by a generation
That is exactly how I feel about it!
KUDOS to You! honourable luck in that quest, keep me updated on how it goes...
Not for pupy mills, for true breeders trying to better and preserve the breed...
